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I think a strong proclivity towards many 'genetic' traits exist in all humans. Crossdressing and being transgender is not the same as being heterosexual or homosexual. These are two different parts of a person and his/her make up, though the appearance of and feeling of being the other gender or a need to dress as the other gender can roll over into their sexuality.

These natural traits can be shaped outside and in life. A crossdressing male if brought up in a more male strict and/or dominated household with male dominated distractions may submerge and cover up any proclivity towards a genetic trait where said male would wish to crossdress... Out of sight, out of mind. This natural genetic trait may just be buried deep under other traits and life's baggage. These males may use things like Halloween or say a costume party to indulge a latent crossdressing trait. This may be enough for many cders. Others will compensate by fantasy, dressing only in their minds often with masturbation. Still others this buried trait may only lead to a general malaise and depression if not allowed to come out and be a part off this otherwise regular male . This could lead to abusive marriages, parenting and the use of booze and drugs to temporarily stunt these feelings.

Girls who are not too girly were for generations seen as tomboys and accepted as such by society. The struggle for a female to be more tomboyish and 'butch' is not as bad as for a boy to be seen as effeminate... MALE PRIVILEGE MY backside!!! :nuh_uh:

Some of these cders may take on daring or dangerous activities and jobs to help fight these underlying traits. "What? I don't like to wear women's clothes, look what I do for a living, I'm a demolitions expert or a soldier, a race car driver, a cop, a fire fighter etc. I'm not saying males in said jobs/activities are all closeted cders, but for some who fought this trait since their earliest years it's away of over compensating.

IMO many males who are very negative towards trans persons, cders and even gays they do such to try to not to show their own proclivity of traits to the alternative life style.

Many women who are transphobic, anti-cder or homophobic are often from very conservative homes and fear the unknown of a man they may be involved with being a cder or they may not like that many trans women are often seen as more feminine and attractive than many genetic girls. These trans women are walking on their turf so to speak, or they too are closeted lesbians and hate that fact some respond badly towards LGBT persons.

As to transgender persons, pretty well all I see, hear and read about have felt they are in the wrong body since childhood. Gender dysphoria is a real thing. Many go without help and hide behind 'normalcy expectations' by family, friends, community and life. Many live confused and angry as a result they suffer a deep depression out of it all. A healthy society does not block, fight or abuse transgender persons. Transgender persons want to CROSS to the GENDER they believe they should have been born as, MTF or FTM... It's that simple. So our society has the ability to now help trans gender persons find their way. Support from family, friends, school or employment and in medicine helps these people find their place. Suicide rates of trans persons denied their path or not having such support when going down said path is many times higher than the normal reference rate of society's suicide rates. BUT! with proper family support, community support and medical support, trans gender persons see a suicide rate fall right back to societal norms

Nobody has to like, YOU, ME any of US for any reasons... Society needs to get over imposing likability to others. I want the haters in the world (BTW ALL PEOPLE CAN HATE AT TIMES IN LIFE! To say otherwise is a lie.) to be open to hate, it only shows them for their ignorance and pigheadedness even lack of self confidence. It allows us to see, deal, debate, inform or avoid them. Shutting up hate does no eliminate it, it only makes it worse and that will see some strike out from the shadows.

Stop only those persons who instigate violence and/or panic. Shine the light of life on haters who have no real position to stand on. I do not want to walk around a corner in a dress and heels only to have an angry hater lash out from the shadows to attack me. Let haters verbally hang on their own noose of life. Maybe, just maybe some can be talked to and see that me as a cder or another person as a tger are just regular people finding our ways through life and mean no harm.
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Good post. We all have to come into our own and find our unique way with it all. Society is what it is and there is no amount of educating that will lead most to do anything but resist ...they are etched in stone. I think of very slow long term change as glacial ... meaning check back in a number of years and you will see substantial change but check in a month or so and it seems to be the same.

Society is changing for us, it really is and over the past twenty years you can indeed see substantial change in our favor for the better. Gender is indeed out there and everyone who is paying attention knows about it. Wives and friends are much more willing to accept who we are. Boys can wear dresses to the prom or be homecoming queens without being beat up. People on talk shows defend us. And our champions are out there and yes I do see Caitlin Jenner as a champion she put herself out there as a lightning rod and receives blistering attacks even from others who are transgender...that's sad but just as with the rest of society there is a left a right and a moderate point of view within our community too. Kristin Beck, and others are out there. When I listen there are those outside our community coming from some surprising places even on the right who have accepted we have every right to be.

Yeah...good post Lacey.
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Proclivity: (noun) a tendency to choose or do something regularly, an inclination or predisposition toward a particular thing
Lacey Hadley wrote:I think a strong proclivity towards many 'genetic' traits exist in all humans.
Well, duh! #-o Genetics is what makes you you! It what gives you blue eyes, brown hair, left handed, tall, prone to certain diseases and maladies, and so on. Don't confuse what you believe to be "genetic" traits with those that are environmentally influenced be it by family, friends, peers, or religion. Many presume that personality traits that run in families be it shyness, ego, beliefs, and even thought processes are genetic. They are not, they are a function of environment.
Lacey Hadley wrote:Crossdressing and being transgender is not the same as being heterosexual or homosexual.
Of course they are different however if one accepts the fact that being CD or TG is genetic and the fact that being heterosexual or homosexual is genetic as well what is to say they are not all found on the same gene and just different variations? While the majority of CDs are heterosexual, or at least when they are in DRAB there are both gay and bisexual within the CD community. Also the majority of TGs are heterosexual based on gender there are Gay F2Ms and lesbian M2Fs out there as well. The research on this is still in its infancy and not considered a priority within most of the scientific community.
Lacey Hadley wrote: IMO many males who are very negative towards trans persons, cders and even gays they do such to try to not to show their own proclivity of traits to the alternative life style.

Many women who are transphobic, anti-cder or homophobic are often from very conservative homes and fear the unknown of a man they may be involved with being a cder or they may not like that many trans women are often seen as more feminine and attractive than many genetic girls. These trans women are walking on their turf so to speak, or they too are closeted lesbians and hate that fact some respond badly towards LGBT persons.
Oh my! Definitely some strong opinions there. People in general spurn change and the different, it is just human nature! Whether you like it or not it drives all of us. I would highly question the above being a large factor. People who are homophobic or transphobic are far more likely to be that way for a few basic reasons. The first of those is religion. Somehow with few rare exceptions I cannot fathom all those Evangelical Christian preachers being closeted gays or CDs. Their belief is one that has been passed down from generation to generation through their religion beliefs. I am not going to express an opinion on whether this right or wrong, it just is how it is. The second main reason these beliefs exist is bad personal experiences, many times suppressed. The creepy guy at the end of the street when they were young, what they have seen or read in the media, even finding out their favorite Uncle when they were kids was really a "gay" bachelor. These all play in people's minds.

You seem to have a belief that genetic women hate the TG community as they view them as rivals or because the M2Fs are "better" women than they are. While this may exist in a very small minority nothing can be further from the truth. Genetic females are subject to the same human emotions, beliefs, influences, and opinions as genetic males. Studies have shown a greater acceptance for the transgendered community amongst females than males by a wide margin. Even within the LGBT community there is generally a higher level of acceptance of CDs and TGs by lesbians and bisexual women than gay males.

Did you ever move when you were young? I mean a move to a new community, maybe a new town, and definitely a new school. I did when I was 8 and my parents divorced. It is hard enough for an 8 year old to deal with their parents parting ways as they wonder if they were the cause but you have to also cope with a new town, neighborhood, and school. To top it off I came from a school district that had a "reputation." I was the outsider and because of where I had gone to school prior obviously a bad apple therefore different and someone to fear. Yes it was not easy but fortunately children are not as set in their ways and beliefs as adults and things changed eventually. With some it took longer than others but eventually I was a part of it all. Do you see where I am going with this?
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Amanda,


Please note I did not say all males who are transphobic are closet cders or tgers in denial. I do feel that some maybe so though and over compensate an irrational negative attitude towards cders and tgers. A element of confusion as to why otherwise regular appearing males would want to crossdress or more so to change their gender is another reason why many males may be transphobic. Some otherwise regular males may have an attraction to cders and tgers and that may scare them into being transphobic too.

That said one size of fear and hate towards cders and tgers, irrational as it is, does not fit all males who are so though.

Yes, certainly religion plays a role but many agnostics and atheists are homophobic and transphobic too. As for religion you chose to bring up only Evangelical Christians but did not mention others and notably the most homophobic and transphobic religion on Earth, Islam. Evangelical Christians may talk transphobic and homophobic rhetoric but none advocate the systemic persecution and killing of gays and trans persons. Many Jews are also homophobic and transphobic too. But again none other than Islam preach hate and death towards gays and trans persons. Mean spirited rhetoric is something we all can grow thick skin to take. But for some bass ackwards persons of a bass akwards religion (IMO cult) to just arbitrarily desire to persecute and kill us well THIS CRAP MUST BE FOUGHT BACK AND NOT BOWED TOO, OUT OF IDIOT P.C.!

Back again to agnostics and atheists who are homophobic and transphobic, they can't use a religious ideology to hate and fear such, so why do many of them do so? Again confusion about who we are and appear as? Maybe agnostic/atheistic males a fear that they may be attracted to us or more maybe they too are closeted cders or tgers and hate/fear said feelings? WHAT? WHY? do many of them hate and fear us?

Genetic women... I never said all women are transphobic, but many are, WHY? Again religion explains some but not all. Do cders or tgers force women into relationships? Certainly some cder's and even latent tger's may have hid or do lie at first. But not many women have to deal with this, as male cding is about 3-4-5% of the average western society population and transgenders (MTF and FTM) by example in the USA alone are estimated at about 1.4 million and is about .4% of the US population. So virtually no genetic women will ever be in a relationship with a cder let alone a tger. Why do many of them hate and fear us though?

Finally as to lesbians, sorry I disagree, a whole lot of them if not the majority of them not only hate straight men but despise gay men and are very transphobic in my understanding and more so than heterosexual women are. In fact many lesbians hate straight women. In the USA as example the most police reported as per percentage of population violence by couples relationships are not man/woman, not gay man/gay man, but lesbian/lesbian. IMO I find no other group of people generally more miserable than lesbians. :crying: Sorry but I think that is more true than not.

Anyways my added 2 cents. And we can enjoy the polite and peaceful discussion. :laptop: :coffee: :sigh:
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Lacey Hadley wrote: Please note I did not say all males who are transphobic are closet cders or tgers in denial.
I am well aware of that Lacey nor did I even intimate that you did. Rather what I said was of the group that are transphobic, or homophobic for that matter, are that way primarily due to a couple of reasons. And yes for the record some that are transphobic are either closeted CDs or TGs either in denial or fear coming out for whatever reason(s). The same exists for those who are homophobic in both genders.

I tend to disagree with you on the influence religion. The United States has it its roots in Judeo/Christian traditions and beliefs. It is the basis of what most accept as the "morals" society follows even today and has an influence on at least the societal beliefs of those here. Many Agnostics or Atheists were not raised as such but rather became that way as they grew older. Generally that "conversion" can be traced to a life changing event although not always. There are other reasons as well however that discussion is not for here. Even in cases where children are reared Agnostic or Atheist there is the influence of that unwritten moral code, thus even for those non religious types there is a religious influence on beliefs and thought processes.

I cited the Evangelical Christians as they seem to be the ones getting the highest level of publicity in the opposition to the LGBT community. There are many other religions that are not friends to the LGBT community. These include Roman Catholicism, Southern Baptists, Jehovah Witnesses, Seven Day Adventists amongst others in Christian faiths and yes Islam as well.

Israel, which let us be honest is a Jewish state, is generally acknowledged as the most LGBT friendly nation currently. Also the surveys and studies I have seen where the respondents identify a religious affiliation show a higher level of acceptance among those who identify as Jewish than other religion. The general belief is that Jews have faced persecution, discrimination, and hatred more than any other religion throughout history and they believe no one should have to endure that for what they are.
Lacey Hadley wrote: In fact many lesbians hate straight women. In the USA as example the most police reported as per percentage of population violence by couples relationships are not man/woman, not gay man/gay man, but lesbian/lesbian. IMO I find no other group of people generally more miserable than lesbians.
Lesbians are perhaps the most misunderstood group within the LGBT community. Even many gay men and TGs tend to allow their beliefs to be clouded with stereotypes. Many lesbians are not "dykes" nor are they men haters. Remember all of them had fathers and many have brothers, uncles, etc. They tend to appear more radical as they are subjected to these stereotypes, discrimination, and to be honest many crude remarks from all sides.

As for the reporting of domestic violence events, even today there are many more that go unreported than are reported for whatever reasons, again not a subject for this discussion. What you have to remember is that reporting is influenced by the responding law enforcement officials and those still tend to be more male. I hate to go into stereotypes but does the term "macho man" bring a picture to your mind? Now also remember the male fantasy of the "cat fight" between 2 females. It is sad this exists but it does.

Lacey you tend to use a lot of generalizations about "many men", "many women", "a whole lot of them if not the majority", etc. Yes these are your beliefs and you are entitled to them as all are. However I want you to step back and think about why you hold them. Look around you, the community you live in, your religious background whether you are still active or not, your friends, your co-workers, the people you come into contact with on a regular basis, your parents and their beliefs and opinions, etc. All of these and other factors influence what we believe and who we are. In one of your posts somewhere here you say something to the effect is you used to believe one way but you took the "red pill" and changed. Think of what brought about that change in philosophies and beliefs. I have my opinions as to what brought about this change in direction but only you know for sure.
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Lacey Hadley wrote:Finally as to lesbians, sorry I disagree, a whole lot of them if not the majority of them not only hate straight men but despise gay men and are very transphobic in my understanding and more so than heterosexual women are. In fact many lesbians hate straight women. In the USA as example the most police reported as per percentage of population violence by couples relationships are not man/woman, not gay man/gay man, but lesbian/lesbian. IMO I find no other group of people generally more miserable than lesbians. :crying: Sorry but I think that is more true than not.
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The look that passed between us was something along the lines of "we're the only two sane people in this room" - and it's meant a lot to me over the years. She seemed a strong, thoroughly balanced woman, who had learnt to take the slings and arrows a society throws at you and still live your life. I admired her thoroughly. Now, I can't prove it, but I bet that look had something to do with the fact we were both "gender outlaws", in a certain sense - and, somewhere, the both of us knew what the other went through.
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The simple fact is, people, many I'd say are hateful at worst or confused at best by cders and tgers. I say even gays, lesbians, can be as hateful to cders and tgers as any heterosexual persons can be. I dare say many LGB's have a 'forever victim complex' and cast it out to others in trying to make them as miserable as they may be.

Hard core activists in LGBT community actually work against many of us be us cder, tger or just gay/lesbians who all of us want to peaceably fit in society. In fact most activist groups not just LGBT but most of any stripe live on to only to find another grievance in life and society as their original fights to ease or solve previous grievances end, mean they have no more reasons to stay around, so they find and another and another grievance to s-disturb over in tryin to stay 'financially' relevant.

I do not support most of these groups whomever they are who never seem to fade away once they achieve their general original goals. They become self-aware to only find more things to bitch and whine about and mostly in the most progressive and 'just' society on earth, the western developed world. But 75% or more of the world has real oppression of gays, lesbians, cders, tgers and many other social, religious and political groups, most in the Islamic world and nothing spoken in protest by all our often radical activist groups in the western world. They rather B.S. about the patriarchy, B.S. about white privilege, about anti-capitalism and chant for BLM, Antifa, and whine about LGBT grievances which all these grievances do not exist in any real systemic sense in the western developed world today. It's just more faux victim hood by these activist groups in the west.

If you are gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, crossdresser, or most any typical minority group in the western world you have it better than probably 98-99% of the people who live outside the western developed world. I'm not saying for any of us to not hi-lite when injustice happens in the western world. I'm not blind to our failings, but to see the western world is the only world that gives us all proper recourse to fight injustice because as sadly as long as humans exist we will not be perfect and even our great western world will fail at times and must be hi-lited when it fails. But then again we have just recourse. Try much of our anti-western, and other anti-ideals in most of the non western world and see what they will give you. You all will not be happy at that result. :nuh_uh: :coffee: :sigh:
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....most activist groups....They rather B.S. about the patriarchy, B.S. about white privilege, about anti-capitalism and chant for BLM, Antifa, and whine about LGBT grievances which all these grievances do not exist in any real systemic sense in the western developed world today.
If you think that T - grievances (never mind the rest) don't have a real basis in the Western world, I'd say you have a very optimistic view - one not shared by the vast majority of T people.
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True but no one is a victim if they choose not to be one. That is seeing a glass half empty or half full. People see from the perspective they are inclined to believe and how they come to lead their lives because of that will achieve different outcomes I believe.
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Anthony,

I never said trans persons do not have any basis of issues, real or otherwise in the western world. But compared to 75+% of the rest of the world which is nonwestern and idiotically backwards, for example trans people living in the western world have and live it best. If you, me any of us expect perfection, well we will be waiting a long time though.

But again there is no systemic prejudice, bigotry or racism in most any western developed world nation. Where and when any of these issues pop up, is because all people can be racist, bigoted and prejudiced, but our western world governments do not any longer legislate on any of these issues systemically. When and where existing laws may still creep up, there are ways most any western world nations have to solve them. That does not mean because you me or any of us do not just get our way we can cry victim and discrimination. If laws are generally applied equally to all as pretty well being done in the western world we have no true grievances.

Our society is not perfect and it never will be. Maybe an issue here or there may again pop up, but our western world society has tools in place to fix and solve these. For easily 75% of the rest of the world no such tools are in place. In fact people are persecuted and even killed for not being like the majority in most of the rest of the nonwestern world. We cry over first world problems and it's often quite pathetic. Real people and of minority groups/identities in most of the rest of the world live in fear of persecution, torture/abuse and even murder by the state and by of an ignorant society they live in.

So yes in most of the western world by example, Joe who is going trans to become Jane may have a personal story of where he/she lost a job, or was harassed for going trans or even lost an apartment due to bigoted ignorance and hate. THIS IS WRONG, JUST SOCIETIES DO NOT ACCEPT THIS! But Joe now Jane has legal recourse and even groups or legal associations via private and/or government to help Joe now Jane and all the other Joe/Janes out there in the western world.

The Joe's who are wanting to transition to Jane's in most of the nonwestern world have NO RECOURSE! They are abused, tossed out on the streets, persecuted by police and the government, maybe even imprisoned, tortured and killed.

These accounts noted above are much the same for each and any identity group or persons in comparing the west to the rest of the world. It can be on race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexuality and political ideals. Quite simply as goofy as the west has and can be, any of these identity groups have it worlds better here in the western developed world than in any nonwestern nation states/societies.

Why do our political activist (many are near political terror groups ) whine about our issues which compared to nonwestern nations are minor and have true recourse, but these activist groups care not one bit for true oppression and suffering outside the western world? Why? because they know how good they have it here and can whine about first world problems, most just mindless virtue signaling though and could not care less about the rest of the world and true oppression. In fact many of our western activist groups and idiot citizens often want to IMPORT said oppression and backwards ideals of such into the west, NUTS I SAY! :eeeek: :nuh_uh:
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I am not sure where to really start here as you went from one example to another to yet another Lacey. Yes those within the LGBT community have it better in western society than others areas in the world however good do we have it? Here in the US there have been assorted wins for us but there have been losses. The tide seems to ebb and flow and is highly dependent on exact locale, the court involved, and even the political climate at the moment. We have come a long way but still have a long way to go. The majority of the LGBT community seeks is acceptance for who we are and equality. Yes there are the fringe groups that want even more and more but that is true on all questions and issues and on both sides of the issue. You are right perfection will never be achieved however we are so far from it still the thought of perfection is laughable.

Yes there is systemic prejudice out there even today. It hasn't been that long that same sex marriage has been legal, to me denying two loving individuals the right to bond in matrimony because they happen to be the same sex is prejudice and discrimination. At least we have gotten past that point. There are still states that do not allow an individual after GCS to change the gender on their birth certificate. At the very least this is bias, don't you agree? You talk about laws being applied generally applied equally however this does not happen. Maybe in the large cities or the more progressive states but in some smaller towns and villages this is not always the case. You talk of how if it is not equally applied we have recourse. What recourse restores someone's pride and dignity after assaults, be they physical or verbal? Please don't give me the suck it up life isn't fair crap! Imagine yourself on the other side and think how you would feel. Yes feelings count Honey!

You seem to have a hang up on western society versus the rest of the world. Yes the LGBT community cares for our brothers and sisters in far worse situations than we have but our own situation is far from idyllic. While we would love to see their plight improve we understand we must better our situations as well. You are correct they have zero recourse and in many cases hopeless situations we have issues here as well. Tough to criticize your neighbor's situation when your own house is not in order.
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Never mind genetics, maybe all these variations in human behavior is simply an unexplainable result (product?) of evolution. Same-sex attraction is not limited to humans, and makes little evolutionary sense, but it is simply not sinister, either. And neither is cross dressing.
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I don't think of crossdressing as something different such as genetics but as an artistic experience. I have always admired artistic people and especially those who try to make life more enjoyable by making themselves more beautiful. Because of this, over the years I have developed skills in cosmetics and style that have become expected of me by those who know me best. All others don't matter.

Early on it was all in the closet and then one day after work, I dressed in slacks and a nice blows, did my makeup and drove to the department store where my wife was working. When she saw me, she blurted out excitedly, "---- you look so nice". After that You couldn't hold me.

I had no idea that there was a name for what I was doing. Only that I loved my wife and wanted to please her.

I don't know but I think that genetics had very little to do with it.

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Genetics as an explanation would show up as a tendency, or hidden predisposition and it is possible that this tendency might show up within the family. There are families where a grandfather, father and son the odd uncle here and there or perhaps cousin also feel all of this within their selves leading them to style in the feminine direction because inside the "who I am" or sense of our gender tells them this is who they are to some extent. We forget that personality traits, talents, inclinations do seem to run in families look at such families as the Barrymores John, Lionel, Ethel, and Drew all talented actors...amazing isn't it? And there are others. Could be this gentle love of beauty and the feelings inside of us, this "sense of who we are" be passed on to us genetically. I believe it is.

Can anyone explain this otherwise that from a very young age many of us here were led by prompts within us to slip into feminine clothes how else do we explain these feelings that seem to be within us telling us in a sense this is what is right for us...

True there are transvestites who can only experience sexual excitement if they wear or have about them clothing of the opposite sex because it is a fetish... It is not a fetish for us though...Have two sons and a wife and dressing was not a part of that at the time.

There are entertainers "Drag Queens" and for them an over the top presentation is called on to put on a show for an audience to react to. That involves art...rather gaudy art but it could be considered an art form. So If you are in it only as an art form for beauty alone.....that would be something different. But an inclination toward beauty and art may be a personality trait passed down to you through genetics.

Then there are transsexuals...they are really the extreme of the spectrum for all who are transgender and feel fully feminine so much so they have to not only change their clothing but their body's too to look outwardly as female as possible and in every way.

Cross dressers hum...are they transvestites...on that spectrum?

So that would mean there are Cross dressers, Transgenders, and Drag Queens perhaps the tendency or inclination in all cases could be genetic, it could also be psychological a fetish or compulsion.

All I know is I have been this way my entire life and I can only explain this for myself as residing in my gender.
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Re: Genetics

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One of the interesting things is in the term LGBT the "T" encompasses a wide range of people and lifestyles. The heterosexual crossdresser, the full out transgendered individual, the transvestite who is in it for sexual gratification, the drag queen, and the fetish dresser are all lumped together in that single letter and sadly confused by many in the general population. In some ways we have brought it upon ourselves however I am not sure there is a better way currently. Regardless of how you see these sub groups they all have a right to live their lives as they please within the confines of what is legal. The LGBT community welcomes all that stay within those legal boundaries as they should. There is no "litmus test" for membership.

As for why some are drawn to the clothes of the opposite gender at a young age, IMO genetics has something to do with it although there is no scientific proof or disproof to that currently. It is again IMO the only answer as environment seems to have little if any bearing on it.
Anne Bonny wrote:We forget that personality traits, talents, inclinations do seem to run in families look at such families as the Barrymores John, Lionel, Ethel, and Drew all talented actors...amazing isn't it?
Personality traits are more a function of environment as has been shown by studies of identical twins separated at birth for whatever circumstances. Their personalities are influenced by the environment they are raised in. As for your example of the Barrymores there may be an affinity for certain things however environment can also be a plausible explanation. As for all being talented? Well everyone is entitled to their opinion. :lol:
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