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Jessica_Karen
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Baby Steps

Post by Jessica_Karen »

It's been awhile since I posted anything here, and I'm afraid I left people hanging somewhat. (See Hurting the one you Love) Please forgive me for not letting you know what has been happening. (I'm thinking in particular of Jassmine, who has so kindly emailed me on more than one occasion...how she knew I needed to hear from someone, I don't know, but blessings fall upon you, Jassmine...you were there! And to all the others who offered me so much support when I needed it, too.)

Most of all, I want to thank Honey (SO) for listening so patiently as I tried to straighten out all the tangles in my brain. (for hours, even days, in fact) Honey, you have been such a dear, dear friend, I can't imagine a day going by without you in my heart. *^^*

So, here's where we are now:

After six months or maybe more, my wife tells me that she's making some baby steps towards coming to terms with my CDing. What does that mean? Well, we went to a counsellor for some help in dealing with a number of issues, not just the CDing. It didn't help. In fact, after 5 sessions, the counsellor told her that she needed to decide if she was serious about moving forward, and that she needed to decide if it was worth continuing our work. She was very upset at this, but basically he was right. She had balked at every suggestion, from practicing the exercises proposed, to finding out how other couples had dealt with these issues successfully. She didn't want to know, she said. Then got upset when the counsellor reached the point where he stated the obvious out loud. She didn't want to move on any issue at all.

There followed (about half an hour after we left the last session) one of the most vicious attacks on me that I'd ever endured...which is saying something. She needed 'time.' "Time to do what?" I asked her. She'd made up her mind. She'd already told me she would never accept the cross dressing. Ever. I was living in a fantasy world if I thought she would. And she repeated this. Vehemently. She was being pressured. She was being made out to be the villain because I had 'engineered' the sessions to make her look bad. She hoped I was satisfied. My priorities were all wrong. Our children should come first. (Both are adult, one still at home, the other living away.) I was being selfish. And so on. And no, she didn't want to go to another counsellor. I'd just turn that one against her, too.

But what puzzled me in all this, was her denial that she was, in fact, refusing to move ahead. Where was the movement, I asked her. She wouldn't say. Just told me that I couldn't know what she was thinking or feeling, but it was unfair to say that she was not moving.

It was at this point that I was about ready to give up. She was refusing to go to a counsellor. Any counsellor. She said she was moving, but still continued to insist that her position was unchanged. No acceptance. None. Well, I could accept that. I wouldn't be very happy about it, but people feel what they feel. It's not something they can consciously control. If the CDing was the issue that she simply couldn't come to terms with, then, reluctantly, I would move on even if she couldn't.

It was at this point that I came out to our daughter. I spoke to her at length on the phone. (She lives 3000 miles away.) And she didn't even flinch. She was surprised I had kept it so well hidden, but, in her words, "it helped explain a lot of things." I didn't ask her what, exactly. I was more concerned with how it might affect the two of us. She told me it made no difference at all. She loved me and would support me in whatever I decided to do. I told her that I was expecting to move out within the week. She said she'd been expecting it to happen for years.

That night the feces really hit the fan. I had turned her daughter away from her. In tears, she declared that she had 'no husband.' Now [because of me] she had 'no daughter.' Our son would be leaving home soon. 'No one gave a (d...) about her needs.' She was going to be left alone with no one. Then she left the room, still in tears. I'm not proud of this, but I didn't follow. (You see how we hurt each other.)

That was just over 2 weeks ago. I'm still here. We've cooled down quite a bit...even talked...very guardedly...about what is happening. And again she has insisted that she is moving. I recently received a copy of Peggy Rudd's My Husband Wears my Clothes in the mail. If you don't know it, it's an excellent introduction to CDing, written from the point of view of a CDer's wife. It's also helpful that Peggy Rudd is a professional therapist/counsellor, so she knows whereof she speaks. I read the book in two days...about 4 or 5 hours total. I had shown it to her, and invited her, as gently as possible, to have a look at it. (She had previously told me on a number of occasions, that she was sure I could provide 'an endless supply of things she should read' to convince her to change her mind. She didn't have time, wouldn't read them, and they wouldn't make any difference, anyway.) It turns out she has looked at the book, but only part of it. She won't say which part. She won't discuss it. She won't tell me if she will read any other parts of it. She says she has been looking for another title, but again, refuses to tell me what title she is looking for. It's not in the local bookstores. She hasn't ordered it, but knows where she can. She has no time to read it. Won't tell me if she does order it. And won't tell me if she has read it, even if, at some point in the future she does.

I suppose I should acknowledge this as a baby step. After all, she has begun to inform herself...barely. But that's all. Just barely. And she refuses to discuss anything with me. I'm afraid to bring anything up, for fear of pressuring her. I'm afraid that she may be right...that I am being selfish.

In the meantime, I feel like I'm left holding back the tide. There is this huge pressure building up and I'm holding it back...back...back. I need to reach out to people. (She doesn't want me to.) I need to do more than just wear panties...always being careful to hide them from her sight, even though she knows I'm wearing them. It's just clothing. And simply wearing a single article of clothing, no matter how feminine, is not enough. I need to find out who I really am and find some way to express it. I'm afraid once the tide bursts, as I fear it inevitably will, it will sweep everything away in its path. And I don't know how deep the water will be once it levels out, if you can follow my metaphor. I don't know how often I will need to dress, or how much because I've never been able to. I don't know if I'll need to go out in public, because I've never been able to. And of course, I'm afraid that I'll lose...no, let me correct that...I'm afraid that I've lost forever the person I love, and who once loved me.

Finally, I'm afraid that no one in my life will ever see, will ever truly understand that what drives this need is a whole constellation of values that we traditionally label as 'feminine:' gentleness, affection, empathy, nurturing, a love of beauty, to name a few. I am not ashamed of these. I fear that at best I may someday expect to be 'tolerated.' What I dream of, is that someday I may be actually be valued. Maybe my wife is right. Maybe I am living in a fantasy world. Because right now that dream seems unreachable...so distant, in fact, as to be almost out of sight. And that makes me profoundly sad.

Jassmine, this is the letter I promised you. (Hope you don't mind sharing.) I'm sending you my love.
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Post by Elizabeth »

Jessica,

I don't know what to say. I could have wrote this post. Your situation is almost identical to mine. And has left me crying as well.

Love always,
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Post by Jassmine(SO) »

Hi Karen,

(--) I am so sorry to hear that things aren't going well for you (--)

After reading your post, I feel that you have reached a point where you need to make a very difficult descion. You can either stay in the relationship, in which neither you or your wife are happy, or you can end it and give each of you a brand new beginning.

In my opinion you have done your level best and have as patient as a saint, and have not made any meaningful headway. You have been anything but selfish throughout this. And I know you have been very understanding towards her and her needs. For her to say you don't give a D*** about her needs is selfish on her part. From my vantage point it is she that doesn't give a d**** about yours. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is my honest opinion.

You need to take care of yourself now. And put your needs first. If she is unable or unwilling to even try to understand and accept your needs, then it is time to move on.

I love you @->->- And I want you to be happy (--) (--)

Oh, I didn't mind sharing (--)

Wishing you the best of everything and the brightest blessings.

*Hugs & Love* @->->- *^^*
Blessings Eternal, Jassmine

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Post by Loretta Ann »

Karen,

From what I have been able to process from your post is that, your wife has erected some very strong Defense mechanisms.

Those walls are there to protect her insecurity, by providing her with a false security. Thus her need to blame you for turning everyone against her, as if she has no say in what happens... A helpless little Angel...

Baby Steps? Maybe? But in whose eyes?
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Post by Ahzz »

I dont' mean to be mean <<^o^>> .... But I feel that I really have to say what I am certain everyone else is thinking here....

It's a sinking ship *sink* ... Time to man YOUR lifeboat and get out before you get sucked under with the titanic

Seeing people like you put up with someone like her just makes me want to go on a kiling spree at times -,,-. She doesn't deserve you at all. And you don't deserve to have to put up !!arg!! with a 5 year old spoiled rotten brat.<|>|<|>

Talking hasn't worked.
Couseling hasn't worked.
She's reverted back completely.
](*,)

I don't think you two will work anymore. No matter how much bending YOU do because she will never bend far enough to make your life happy.

You know we will always be around if you need and want us.
*WE* accept you and love you for who you really are.
((G))

If I were in your situation I'd say one thing. "ok. bye bye lady. have a nice day."..o)..

*sigh* If a dumb geek like myself can find someone like Jassmine, then there is DEFINITLY a nice large flock of women out there for you. <oooo>

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Post by Anita »

Hi Karen--
Your post certainly brought tears to MY eyes, too.

I'm going to focus on what you said about yourself--about not knowing how high the tide is going to come in, if you set out on a road of discovery.

You're right, you can't really know until you're venturing out into it. That is scary, even when you don't have the added complications of another who's also affected by it.

Just don't be too hard on yourself if you hang back from wanting to find out. Eventually you will do some of it, because these needs don't go away. At least, I hope you will do some of it, because trying to ignore these things robs you of emotional energy that you need.

There's a lot of energy locked up in that femme self, and some of it will be very comforting to you. I can almost guarantee that. But only in your own time.
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Post by Honey(SO) »

Karen,
You know how I feel too.... (--)

Love, Honey
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Post by DonnaT »

Karen,

The only thing I can suggest is come out to some of your friends, and then later to your family.

Friends are more acceptable than you'd think. Besides, the waiting or self suffering from fear of the unkown appears to building up to a boiling point, and that's not good for your health, much less your family life.

It's best to know whether others will accept the real you, rather than constantly worry about it.

As for your family, only you know how close of a relationship you have, and how they tolorated things as you grew up.
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Post by Virginia »

Karen,
Honey you and I are going down the same road. I was at the SCC when you posted so I am a bit late with my two cents worth. Evidently our children are about the same age and our spouses are travelling the same road. We to went to counselling as a couple and she to her own counselor who uses misic thearpy and tuning forks on her feet both have said she has self-esteem issues. She told our "joint" counselor that my CD'ing did not bother her as long as she did not have to meet Virginia. Her counselor has evidently told her she needs to stand up for herself and she has taken it to heart its like living with a dictator, but since we are formulating the distribution of our property I really don't care. As I have said before (I don't know your age) but at my age it is the old saying: "I don't dish bull sh..; I don't take bull sh..; I am just not in the sh.. business." Life is too short and I enjoy Virginia and she brings me comfort and that is the name of that tune. Again I don't know your family situation and what your expectations are, but if your SO is like mine and not even willing to even try and understand us then I refuse to live in that environment. I had a guy tell me something once - he had given up a very sizable portion of his retirement assets to his ex, probably a lot more than was necessary. When I asked him why - he had a very simple and eye-opening response: "Just how much would you pay to get rid of terminal cancer?"
What's it worth to you, honey? I have made my decision. Maybe not what you will do but there are your sisters out here dealing with the same issues and THANK GOD FOR MY SISTERS AND THIS FORUM!!!!!
Let us know what you do!

Love ya,

Virginia
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Post by Kay(SO) »

There are two sides to every story... and two person's feelings involved. You both have a right to have your needs met. You also have the God given ability to choose whether or not to remain in a relationship where your needs go unmet or not. Just something to think about and that you may want to enlighten her with as well. Good luck to you both. It's not an easy road to travel but we do get to make some choices about our own happiness or misery. I always say misery is optional.

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